Of coarse... Most punks are Liberals.Don't mind socialism do you? Auto industry/Banks/Heath care...Whats next?
So...Tell me why I should pay for you (and Illegals)? Maybe because you can't pay for yourself? In my book that would make you a bum. I'm fine with my Health care (beside a few tweeks to the system). If you got a problem maybe you should get a job.
Oh..ps I knew adding a bit to the post would spark your little nuts ;)
That's part of this blog,getting you..the viewer involved. I respect your views even if I don't agree with them. Debate is sweet as long as we respect each other. I doubt you respect me but that's ok. Try to understand that not everyone has the same views.
I feel I have morals and values,I'll hang onto those...You hang onto whatever you got.
Hi I live in country with a strong Health care system. And believe Austria is not a socialist country. I prefer to life in a country where health care is for everyone - not only for people who can afford that.
Everyone? The ones who don't pay taxes & Illegal aliens too? Of coarse your country is small & hasn't the Illegal alien problem we have.
Do you believe 1 Quadriplegic = Half a Human Life, 1 Teen = Fourteen 85 Year Olds? Talking about life like that is inhuman.That's what's being said by Obamas buddies.
Socialism may be ok by you but Americans like myself will fight tooth and nail against that.It's not American.
Hi Mark I`m 51 years old and a hard workin man all my life ... I life in Germany and I have a 11 year old son who had an accident in January (he broke through the ice whe he was walking on a frozen lake.) When he was brought to the hospital he was nearly dead. He spent month in hospital and still needs (and will for a long time)medical care. The cost for that medical care is much higher than I or anyone in my family can ever affort. You may say bad luck - that`s your problem - but I`m proud to live in a society where everyone gets the best possible medical care and not only up to the point you can afford. If I would live in your country either my son would be dead now (or a disabled for the rest of his Life)and I would be finacial ruined. In your country I would be a bum now! Mark - I want to say is you never know what destiny is holding for you - so saying "If you got a problem maybe you should get a job" you make yourself rediculous.
and here we have alot Illegal aliens too - but I prefer the word humans!
By the way establishing a health care system has nothing to do with socialism - believe me I grew up in eastern germany - that was a socialist country the germany I live in now is a democratic country just like the USA, but one with a working health care system !
Zundi,your comment tears my heart. I send all my love to you and your son.A terrible tragedy. I'm not cold hearted.I have a daughter with Autism. I am blessed to have the money with help from the government. I'm not against government help just government take over. It's not just health care,Mr.Obama wants everything to be owned or have a stake with the gov.
When a government makes too many changes,changes the people don't want there is a problem.
I have a question for you. Don't you have to wait for care? In line...Are you (or your child) judged by how much you need such care?
I'm not familiar with other socialist health care countries,only what I hear from friends and news...what I hear isn't good.
Is there anyone else that support socialist health care?Tell me your story. Information is everything.
I never pretend to know it all,but love to understand and hear others situations.
Zundi,I wish you and your family all the best,thanks for writing.
Oh yeah & Zundi,in my country there is already in place certain programs for the disabled...so I doubt you child would be completely without.America isn't a bunch of self fulfilling assholes ya know lol (at least it wasn't). My family gets that help.
I can't know what you go through but can tell you my country has provided for me in the past...I'm worried about the future.
That government run Army, Air Force, Marines, Navy... why don't you complain about them? And their government health care?
If you can cite me anything in the health care bill that says "1 Quadriplegic = Half a Human Life, 1 Teen = Fourteen 85 Year Olds?" I would be shocked. Because there is nothing that says that. Do you think perhaps you're being mislead, Mark. You want the politicians to read the bill, but have you?
And before you saint that woman in the video, you should watch this clip, in which it is pretty clear she's a moron.
Many congress men and women saying these town hall meeting are great because they bring out debate for the new health care programs, that's wonderful. So how can we trust Mr. Obama when he continuously said he wanted this passed before the August recess, which I believe left out public debate. Goes right along with dropping 300 page additions to the stimulus package in the middle of the night.
the problem is that the bill is over a thousand pages and i think there is 2 maybe 3 versions the senate version i think is like 600 pages. they want to rush this and pass this but most have not read the bill. so people are getting very concerned some have read segments of the bill and do not like what they have read and have questions but are not getting answered. when they are addressing their disdain some congressman have responded by calling them hate mongers and accusing them of being organized. they are not being very clear on what is in the bill. Our country is hurting financially unemployment in some states is up to 20% this is calculated by people only receiving unemployment. the majority of people here get their health care thru their employer so it would make sense for our economy to more or a major concern. it seems our government is leaning more towards facism. yes our health care can be of course. why not this for starters there are 3178 accident and health insurance companies in the united states. they are not available in all states due to government restrictions "lets get rid of this" for example http://www.naia-artists.org/resources/health_insurance.htm the government states they want to get involved to bring more competition they can stick with medicare let the private sector do the rest.
Mark-I agree 100%. Being in the punk scene since the mid 1980's I am astounded how many punks prefer government control over freedom. In the re-issue of MRR Not So Quiet on the Western Front liner notes this was addressed, as it was re-released w/out the approval of MRR, a very left-sided magazine. It used to be you could go to a show and hear the left/right/middle expressed by different bands w/o it being a problem, then it all factioned and PC took over. I do not trust governement to have control over anything other than what we give them the power to do and so far they have even screwed up most of that with misspending and false fronts. I think obama has proven himself in line with socialists and socialists thinkers by his associations, has utilized identity politics in the Department of Justice etc. and i laugh when foreigners from smaller countries or more homogenous ones try to put a one size fits all form of government on our nation.
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what a cheap propaganda clip ... are you serious???
We still don`t listen to your bullshit
Of coarse...
Most punks are Liberals.Don't mind socialism do you?
Auto industry/Banks/Heath care...Whats next?
So...Tell me why I should pay for you (and Illegals)?
Maybe because you can't pay for yourself?
In my book that would make you a bum.
I'm fine with my Health care (beside a few tweeks to the system).
If you got a problem maybe you should get a job.
Oh..ps
I knew adding a bit to the post would spark your little nuts ;)
That's part of this blog,getting you..the viewer involved.
I respect your views even if I don't agree with them.
Debate is sweet as long as we respect each other.
I doubt you respect me but that's ok.
Try to understand that not everyone has the same views.
I feel I have morals and values,I'll hang onto those...You hang onto whatever you got.
What`s wrong with socialism ?
Hi
I live in country with a strong Health care system.
And believe Austria is not a socialist country.
I prefer to life in a country where health care is for everyone - not only for people who can afford that.
If that makes me a socialist - fine.
Everyone?
The ones who don't pay taxes & Illegal aliens too?
Of coarse your country is small & hasn't the Illegal alien problem we have.
Do you believe 1 Quadriplegic = Half a Human Life, 1 Teen = Fourteen 85 Year Olds?
Talking about life like that is inhuman.That's what's being said by Obamas buddies.
Socialism may be ok by you but Americans like myself will fight tooth and nail against that.It's not American.
Hi Mark
I`m 51 years old and a hard workin man all my life ...
I life in Germany and I have a 11 year old son who had an accident in January (he broke through the ice whe he was walking on a frozen lake.)
When he was brought to the hospital he was nearly dead.
He spent month in hospital and still needs (and will for a long time)medical care.
The cost for that medical care is much higher than I or anyone in my family can ever affort.
You may say bad luck - that`s your problem - but I`m proud to live in a society where everyone gets the best possible medical care and not only up to the point you can afford.
If I would live in your country either my son would be dead now (or a disabled for the rest of his Life)and I would be finacial ruined.
In your country I would be a bum now!
Mark - I want to say is you never know what destiny is holding for you - so saying "If you got a problem maybe you should get a job"
you make yourself rediculous.
and here we have alot Illegal aliens too - but I prefer the word humans!
By the way establishing a health care system has nothing to do with socialism - believe me I grew up in eastern germany - that was a socialist country the germany I live in now is a democratic country just like the USA, but one with a working health care system !
PS sorry for my bad english
Zundi,your comment tears my heart.
I send all my love to you and your son.A terrible tragedy.
I'm not cold hearted.I have a daughter with Autism.
I am blessed to have the money with help from the government.
I'm not against government help just government take over.
It's not just health care,Mr.Obama wants everything to be owned or have a stake with the gov.
When a government makes too many changes,changes the people don't want there is a problem.
I have a question for you.
Don't you have to wait for care?
In line...Are you (or your child) judged by how much you need such care?
I'm not familiar with other socialist health care countries,only what I hear from friends and news...what I hear isn't good.
Is there anyone else that support socialist health care?Tell me your story.
Information is everything.
I never pretend to know it all,but love to understand and hear others situations.
Zundi,I wish you and your family all the best,thanks for writing.
Oh yeah & Zundi,in my country there is already in place certain programs for the disabled...so I doubt you child would be completely without.America isn't a bunch of self fulfilling assholes ya know lol (at least it wasn't).
My family gets that help.
I can't know what you go through but can tell you my country has provided for me in the past...I'm worried about the future.
Info is everything.
http://energycommerce.house.gov/Press_111/20090714/aahca.pdf
I'm not sure if that's it...
Can you imagine a delegate not reading it but voting on it anyway?
That's whats going on...
That government run Army, Air Force, Marines, Navy... why don't you complain about them? And their government health care?
If you can cite me anything in the health care bill that says "1 Quadriplegic = Half a Human Life, 1 Teen = Fourteen 85 Year Olds?" I would be shocked. Because there is nothing that says that. Do you think perhaps you're being mislead, Mark. You want the politicians to read the bill, but have you?
And before you saint that woman in the video, you should watch this clip, in which it is pretty clear she's a moron.
http://crooksandliars.com/logan-murphy/hardball-town-hall-protester-exposed
You've hitched your wagon to the uninformed, the easily mislead, and the heartless. Hope you're proud.
why is it up to mark to read the bill.seems like the polititians cant explain themselfes
LOL,right.
Amazing,I never thought I'd see the day of Punks trusting the Government,any government.
Power always leads to corruption.
It's just this time it's on a socialists agenda.
Many congress men and women saying these town hall meeting are great because they bring out debate for the new health care programs, that's wonderful. So how can we trust Mr. Obama when he continuously said he wanted this passed before the August recess, which I believe left out public debate. Goes right along with dropping 300 page additions to the stimulus package in the middle of the night.
the problem is that the bill is over a thousand pages and i think there is 2 maybe 3 versions the senate version i think is like 600 pages. they want to rush this and pass this but most have not read the bill. so people are getting very concerned some have read segments of the bill and do not like what they have read and have questions but are not getting answered. when they are addressing their disdain some congressman have responded by calling them hate mongers and accusing them of being organized. they are not being very clear on what is in the bill. Our country is hurting financially unemployment in some states is up to 20% this is calculated by people only receiving unemployment. the majority of people here get their health care thru their employer so it would make sense for our economy to more or a major concern. it seems our government is leaning more towards facism. yes our health care can be of course. why not this for starters there are 3178 accident and health insurance companies in the united states. they are not available in all states due to government restrictions "lets get rid of this" for example http://www.naia-artists.org/resources/health_insurance.htm
the government states they want to get involved to bring more competition they can stick with medicare let the private sector do the rest.
Mark-I agree 100%. Being in the punk scene since the mid 1980's I am astounded how many punks prefer government control over freedom. In the re-issue of MRR Not So Quiet on the Western Front liner notes this was addressed, as it was re-released w/out the approval of MRR, a very left-sided magazine. It used to be you could go to a show and hear the left/right/middle expressed by different bands w/o it being a problem, then it all factioned and PC took over. I do not trust governement to have control over anything other than what we give them the power to do and so far they have even screwed up most of that with misspending and false fronts. I think obama has proven himself in line with socialists and socialists thinkers by his associations, has utilized identity politics in the Department of Justice etc. and i laugh when foreigners from smaller countries or more homogenous ones try to put a one size fits all form of government on our nation.
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