You know the story of the "Gift Horse"?This one goes out to "Tom" and all the Tom's out there.
Understand that you come to me.Not me to you.
You have been dismissed.Go away.No one want's you.
If you think I lie.
Here's your podium.Make your stand!
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if you don't like it mark tought shit you started it by posting nazi music.tom keep being a thorn in mark's side glad to see your getting to him.
were here to stay mark and we will never go away this is what you get for supporting nazi music.
What a bunch of fuckin' morons! If you don't like this blog you don't have to look at it. I love all the non-racist anti-fascists who want to control what other people look at, read or listen to - and then call Mark a fascist for posting music on a blog. Do you really think he would be posting the HUGE amount of dub reggae and anarcho punk if he was a nazi. Try prying your heads out of your asses.
none of the non-racist anti-fascists are telling mark what to read or post but why mark doesn't think about who he hurts by posting this shit
Apparently he's only hurting you.
i'm not hurt
How cute you can be Mark -
a lot of peoplehave given you reasons why not to post Nazi-Music, you ignored them.
I will not repeat all that ...
But you not only posting Nazi Music you also posting Left wing anti Fascist Music. You are abusing those bands and their fans
by doing so.
These Music has a meaning beyond of being just entertainment - I`m not willing to let Nazi-supporters like you take over the Music of my youth.
2¢
Everybody's got to throw their two cents in
Where it don't belong
Take your "punk" opinions and keep them to
yourselves
Cause stupid words add up to nothing
And you don't know nothing about me
or my ways
so just shut up
shut up
shut up
shut up
Everybody's got to throw their two cents in
Where it don't belong
And I don't need to hear your idealistic plans
You know it all you know it nothing
You sure don´t know nothing about me or
my world
So just shut up
shut up
shut up
shut up and keep your two cents
You talk in circle
Shallow vision
That is why I never listen
You can't change my mind
So just shut up
shut up
shut up
It's best you keep your two cents out
Here keep your two cents
(dedicated to all the stupid To´s around !!!!)
Ignore them Mark...they lack control or meaning in their own lives, so they lash out with anachronistic, contrarian-just-for-the-sake-of-it attitudes so that they'll feel like "somebody" for once.
I guaran-fucking-tee these twats wouldn't give you this sort of grief in real life...they'd stumble on their words, become red in the face from embarrassment and...just stand there...like...twats.
I just got turned on to The Ovaltines a week ago by a VERY famous old thrasher...and the friends he keeps? Lets just say there's an equally as famous anarchopunk among them. I'll duly burn them for the african american singer in my band, BECAUSE HE LIKES RAC OI YO!!! GAAAAAASP!!!
EVERYBODY is a fucking hypocrite piece of shit!
Thanks for the song Tim ;)
Tom & friends,you are funny guys.
A thorn in my side...Hardly.
Your too stupid to realize that your little fight with me makes my blog THAT much more interesting.
People love a fight.
Now they come to see.
Thank you for making me even more popular.
I left the comments on last night on purpose.It's easy to switch back and forth.It's also only a click to delete any comments.Is that such a thorn?
Would you protest McDonalds the same way?By ordering a dozen Big Mac's?lol
You dorks keep coming back because you love this blog and you really love me :*
Supporting nazi music? So when I listen to Merciful Fate, I'm supporting satanism? Please don't be a narrow minded fool. You only become a supporter when you act upon the lyrics of such NOT by simply posting it or even listening to it. Henry Rollins during his Black Flag stint wasn't an angel on stage either. GISM was very ruthless on stage but by listening to GISM makes one a supporter of "violence"? You fools need to separate the difference bewteen common sense of music appreciation / music history and the real acts of senseless violence. Besides, if you don't like it, simply go away. Don't crash the party for everyone because you happen to disagree with roughly 3% of the stuff on this blog.
This is a VERY important historic site since the media shuns this stuff. Future peoples must know how punk occured and yes we all remember when Skrewdriver hit the punk scene and other racist bands so beware. I hate yes hate how todays new souls cut from the block must fit into some kind of lifestyle to be accepted they think. This is the exact opposite of what Punk has to teach us. We forget we need these bands to show us how ridiculous we all are in our costumes of racism.
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P.S. I change the world everyday and see my results at my grocery store chain by what I buy--for our children!
@Mark you want to have my email so you can sent out some hatemail?
Sorry Mark – you are spreading already enough hate by posting Nazi Music.
I should get a life? – It`s true I spent too much time in front of computers but
1. that is totally off the point
2. seems like I´m not the only one hmmm Mark?
@Sean : Lack of meaning or control of my life – do I have to support Nazi Music to have control over my life – what is your point? – you don`t know me at all!
I am older than you are Mark – I` saw my first Punkshow in the seventies – I spent more than half of my life in the Punk / hardcore community.
You may have noticed that I not comment to every post you do. I didn`d post a commnt to the Wipers – I never met Greg Sage – still I think he won`t love to see his Music next to Fascist Music.
But I do comments when I knew the bands and the way they think.
I was setting up Shows in europe for years – ( specially in the famous SO36 Club in Berlin in the 80`s and early 90`s) I played in bands. You already posted Music I was involved in (without having the permission from “us” the Band – but thats a different story)
I was running together with friends a nationwide fanzine (in german) !
I spent month of touring playing , discusssing, partying with a lot of Bands you have posted here.
( “jacho” from “Hostages of Ayatollah” is an old friend of mine – he would never accept his Music next to Nazi Music – same for “Zahni” from “Neurotic Arseholes” and many others)
Where where all you guys back then?
Specially in the eighties Punk/hardcore was made up by a little circle of people. At that time there was no internet – people had to write letters to stay in contact (telefon was too expensive for long distance calls) These circle of people created their own counterculture called hardcore (Bands,Clubs,Fanzines etc...) over the years.
All that was based on D.I.Y. attitude,unity,friendship,beeing open minded and anti-fascism.
Seeing right-wing – nazi music supporting people claiming hardcore as “their” Music and part of “their” background is a slap in the face of the original people who created the scene in the very beginning.
You may say from your point of view that I vandalize your blog ( I say I only write the truth) , but you and your mindless so – called supporters vandalize the the hardcore movement and the values it stands for.
I simply don`t allow you guys to take over the hardcore music movement and turn it into another meaningless Music you can listen to – like you listen to Nazi Music, Gangsta Rap,
ChristianPunk ,(what an oxymoron) bullshit Metal or whatever – you are destroying the scene!
That`s why saying: “ if you don`t like this blog stay away” don`t work.
@Tim I have some lyrics for you too – it`s by the Dead Kennedys
the main phrase is:
NAZI PUNKS FUCK OFF!
"...I simply don`t allow you guys to..."
HAHAHA... how "punk" ist that??
Who the FUCK are you?? The "Führer" of the international Punk party?
This is getting sooo funny :-)
more - more - MORE !!!
Am I allowed to listen to the latest COCK SPARRER CD ??
Well, they got short hair...hm, they don´t have "good night white pride" slogans on their website...hm, maybe they are NAIZS?...OH MY GOD---hmmm...oh, wait, my brother was on tour with XYZ... he like´s it too...please let me know if you allow me to listen to it...
Tim
Oh indeed it does Mark, indead it does, but it was interesting before. Can't say I'm surprised at the backlash to some of the posts. Stay Free!and Keep On Blogging in The Free World!
Thanks Tom
I totally agree with you
"Ìt`s more than Music"
@Tim
Are you that dumb or are you only playing stupid?
Tom didn`t say what you are allowed to hear - he only said he don`t allow right wing people "take over" the hardcore movement.
He`s right by saying so ...
keep on ...Tom!
I simply don`t allow you guys to take over the hardcore music movement and turn it into another meaningless Music you can listen to – like you listen to Nazi Music, Gangsta Rap,
ChristianPunk ,(what an oxymoron) bullshit Metal or whatever – you are destroying the scene!
I'm taking something over?
Turning something into something?
What?
I post.What am I changing?
Man you must think I got alot of pull.
Destroying the scene?Which one,where,when & how?
The 80's scene?
Do you see me as some kind of leader?lol
I'm a blogger :)
That's about it.Oh,and a person.
Tom,your name dropping is cute.
If any bands don't want their stuff here they will contact me.
Most that Ive heard from are tickled pink that Ive posted the old records from years ago & they love the blog.
My blog is me.
Every blog has it's identity from it's owner.
I'm not here to serve.
I'm not here to make a blog that you like.
I make a blog that I'm satisfied with.If you don't like what I offer you can go to someone elses blog.
You don't pay me.Why should I be like you?Why should I do what YOU want me to?
Your welcome to produce your own blog,you can tell everyone it's the best one.Better than mine.
Maybe that would make you feel better about your hardcore music movement.
"Ìt`s more than Music"
No,It is whatever each individual makes it but in essence is just music.
Is it (punk) your god?
he only said he don`t allow right wing people "take over" the hardcore movement.
Well isn't that so much more intelligent.He won't allow a right wing takeover.Maybe he should concentrate his efforts on the real world.Get away from the computer and get to fighting in the streets.
Do you have the address of this "hardcore movement"?Do they wear uniforms?I guess their members aren't around here...all I see is a bunch of rednecks :)
@Tim
I don`t care what Music you listen too - where did I wrote what you or anyone else should hear?
I only said that I don`t allow right wing peolpe claim the hardcore movement as "theirs".
It is not! it never was!
In germany we see at neonazis demonstrations nazis wearing DK, black Flag and other Punk bands t-shirts - they play Slime and Ton Steine Scherbern music.
They taking symbols of the punk/hardcore movement - sorry man I don`t accept that
and I don`accept someone posting Neonazi music next to the maniacs lp
( you should listen to their lyrícs specially "white rose of resistence")
`m not the Führer of whatever - but Im a person with an attitude!
For me - punkrock / hardcore is not just music i can drink too ( which I can!)
you are obvously someone who gives shit about all that.
By the way Cock Sparrer never accepted boneheads at their concerts!
@Mark
Why do you "right wing guys" allways ask for uniforms ?
get out in the real world?
You mean "your world"?
Are you living in the real world with your skrewdiver records?
Oh thanks I do alot - what is you` re point here?
lol I didn't ask for a uniform.
One thing I learned in life.
Never join ANY movement.
I move on my own.I'm NOT a follower of anything or anyone.
I live where I do.Where I live there are no punks walking around the streets,no hardcore movement,no scene.
Just people living their lives.
Are you living in the real world with your skrewdiver records
Huh?Yea,I guess so...they sound pretty good jamming out of my pickup truck going to work.
It takes the edge off working.
@Mark
"I've been punk for 30 years"
"I Never join ANY movement"
Hmmm ...
"Do they wear uniforms?"
"lol I didn't ask for a uniform"
Hmmm
Sorry mark - what do you want to say?
You don`t know you`re own statements!
Punk isn't a movement to me.
It's a genre of music.
I asked If they wear uniforms,not that I wanted one.
Was that too hard to understand?
No Tom,you just aren't good at understanding English I guess.
Tom said:
Where where all you guys back then?
I guess I was in kindergarten but contrary to you I grew up over the years and stopped acting like I did back then!
Tim has asked you before but: Who the fuck do you think you are so that you could allow or deny other people whatever?
Who are you to judge or label people you don't know shit about as whatever?
Talking of Berlin and SO36: did you allow Agnostic Front, Madball, Skarhead,... to present their background as gangmembers and criminals? If so: Why? Did you harass MAD for booking their tours? If not: Where you afraid?
"But you not only posting Nazi Music you also posting Left wing anti Fascist Music. You are abusing those bands and their fans by doing so."
I like a lot of those bands, but I feel a lot more abused by being called a fan than by seeing those bands on this blog!
Wake up, Punk is nothing that YOU own so stop acting like you would!
Oh, wait YOU have written for fanzines, booked shows, played in bands and even toured! That changes everything! YOU are a god walking the earth and everyone else is wrong! Marc you MUST do what Tom says, without him where would Punk be? He even knows Zahni from Neurotic Arseholes!
Wow, Mark, I think for your next act you should start a Star Wars blog and then start posting Star Trek stuff on it. Get yourself a whole other class of overzealous boneheads after your butt.
"I've been punk for 30 years"
So you`re 30 years a genre of music?
"Punk isn't a movement to me.
It's a genre of music."
Well Mark for a lot of people it is a movement - I consider myself as one of those, a lot of people do - you offend us by posting Nazi Music!
For you Nazi music is also just a genre - but it is not. Fascism is a deeply inhuman , intolerant rascist movement - Nazi actually kill people ( in Magdeburg a small town in germany boneheads killed three people in August - they where looking like "left wing people")
I don`d say - and never have - that you are a nazi - but you support them - you should know better! Alot of people already ask you to stop that - you ignored them!
Freedem of speech is a honerable value - but it stops where blind hate and ignorance starts.
"No Tom,you just aren't good at understanding English I guess."
That`s may be true - english is not my native language - so what?
We can go on in german if you prefer - hey mark thats the language the nazis spoke - you should learn it one day!
Brekinapez,Man that's the funniest thing I've heard in a long time.You had me rolling lol
Hilarious!:)
"Talking of Berlin and SO36: did you allow Agnostic Front, Madball, Skarhead,... to present their background as gangmembers and criminals? If so: Why? Did you harass MAD for booking their tours? If not: Where you afraid?"
No - Marc from MAD is a nice guy -
I never was a big fan of NYHC - but I never had a problem with that - maybe I`m wrong,but I never saw them acting criminal and beeing gangmembers.
Did you harass MAD booking bands you don`t like?
If posting Nazi Music is right - than I will no longer walk like a god - Marc you are right I`m wrong post more Nazi Music - as long I can download it for free - let`s throw away all humanity
HEIL HITLER
are you satisfied now Anonymous?
IS that punk to you?
Sorry that I know people you don`t know.
Brekinapez,Man that's the funniest thing I've heard in a long time.You had me rolling lol
Hilarious!:)
Nazis killing people is fun - I got that!
So Mark do you censor my last two comments?
Freedom of speech?
No Tom.
I do other things.
If you wouldn't have been a dick you could be commenting in real time.But since you do what you do,you have to wait until I return to my computer.
Did you harass MAD booking bands you don`t like?
I asked you if you harassed MAD for booking bands that have a background you despise and not cause you don't like them. There's a difference between those 2 questions!
How about Shelter, 108,... what have you done to prevent them from taking over the movement?
If posting Nazi Music is right - than I will no longer walk like a god - Marc you are right I`m wrong post more Nazi Music - as long I can download it for free - let`s throw away all humanity
HEIL HITLER
are you satisfied now Anonymous?
I don't what you are trying to tell me? I don't care if I could download it for free as I'm not interested in nazi music!
No, I'm not satisfied as you refused to answer most of my questions and just wrote crap in most of the few answers you gave!
IS that punk to you?
What are you talking about? If you are talking about acting like you do (trying to force my point of view on everyone else) - NO, that is far from what Punk is to me!
Sorry that I know people you don`t know.
Who says I don't know them?
But what has whom you know to do with how reasonable your arguments are? What has writting for zines,... to do with it?
Perhaps we just should compare our dicks? the one with the longest dick wins?
Or whatelse is the intention of "where were you back then"?
"@Sean : Lack of meaning or control of my life – do I have to support Nazi Music to have control over my life – what is your point? – you don`t know me at all!"
Now that I see your country of origin, I acquiesce to your attitudes (as I believe there is still a right-wing reactionary pro-nazi movement there?). Arguably in the U.S., the neo-nazi thing is seen as a JOKE and not a threat. You just can't get the nazi-demos you may be used to in a city such as L.A. or Mark's parts in Florida...because it'd be a full-blown race-riot and the nazis would get torched alive!
I say anachronistic, because it's way too easy to attack those things that are "safe" and cliche punk targets to destroy. It's not very hard to say "I hate nazis, I hate the govt"...DUH! NO SHIT!!! That's shit we all learned in kindergarten!...would you throw a 40oz bottle in a nazi's face in real life? I'm sure only if he was smaller than you! Just as this conversation would NEVER happen "in real life"...people are afraid of TRUE confrontation!
I like The Ovaltines, Genocide Organ, a little Skrewdriver here and there, but I despise Johnny Rebel (and he's somebody who's music is VERY catchy!) as well as goregrind bands that still rip on "faggots". It's all context, it's all taking what you get from it. I mentioned the bands I like above as their message is "just left of right" enough for me to ignore their politics and enjoy the riffs/noise what-have-you...and I'm sure mark does the same.
It all boils down to something YOU stated earlier:
"you don`t know me at all!"
EXACTLY! Give Mark the benefit of the doubt and go take care of things in your own personal life! No money is going to any nazi organizations here, no message OTHER THAN MUSIC AND MUSIC ALONE is being spread...and MARK ISN'T A NAZI OR NAZI SYMPATHIST!!!
End of story, DONE with discussion (well, my end at least!). --S
No I didn` `harass MOD Marc for booking bands I don`t like -
why should I - he never book any Nazi bands as far as I know.
I woundn`t have booked a band like 108 - I can`t stand these religious freaks - but that is different from beeing a nazi!
They are preaching weird religious nonsense in my eyes - but they don´t follow a racist Master Race -they don`t beat and even kill people because they are a different race or Punks or other "left wing" looking people.
I don`t care much about them- and all these Christian Punks.
You are the guy obviously having stronger problem with these bands as I do so that`s why I`m aking you
Did you harass him for booking these bands?
What is your point?
"He even knows Zahni from Neurotic Arseholes!"
"Who says I don't know them?
But what has whom you know to do with how reasonable your arguments are? "
I only said that he (Zahni) wouldn`d accept his Music among Nazi Music(that is a reasonable argument because Marc posted Neurotic Arseholes)
If you know him too - ask him.
"Again - what is your point?"
Tim has asked you before but: Who the fuck do you think you are so that you could allow or deny other people whatever?
when it comes to fascist music - yes I do think I have a fucking right to say: Don`t listen to that shit
That all I did - I never deny people whatsever in any other way.
so one more time - what is your point?
"No, I'm not satisfied as you refused to answer most of my questions and just wrote crap in most of the few answers you gave"
I`m not here to satisfy you - haha.
"IS that punk to you?"
To satisfy you?
The Last Time: What is your point?
You are not listining to Nazi Music - but it is Ok for you that people do - is that correct?
"IS that punk to you?"
It is OK for you that people listen too Skrewdriver and Subhumans and call themself Punk?
THAT IS NOT PUNK TO ME!
Perhaps we just should compare our dicks? the one with the longest dick wins?
Sure we can do that - but remember I have a dick like a god
You cannot beat that! LOL
PS You are right the term "Fan" I used earlier was not a lucky one - of course I did not mean "fan" like someone is Fan of Tokio Hotel
or whatever.
Sorry I used that term in lack of a better one.
@Mark
Sorry caliing you you a censor this time
seems like I`m a victim of my own "vandalism"
Why does everyone here talks about my enormous dick or even calls me "dick"?
Some sexual thing going on here that I missed?
LOL
"I don`t care much about them- and all these Christian Punks."
Yeah, me neither. Maybe we should gas them.
Hey, should I sell my Jetta seeing as how Dr. Porsche and his factory produced military hardware for the Wehrmacht? Does my nephew owing a BMW make him a Nazi sympathizer as well?
I should probably stop buying toys for my kids anymore since all that money goes to the godless Communist Chinese to help pay for their human right violating hijinks.
So, now the punk nazis are telling me what I'm not allowed to see, hear, or think...
Fuck all the fascists, left and right. Stupid, weak fuckers.
@Pox
@brekinapez
"I don`t care much about them- and all these Christian Punks."
"Yeah, me neither. Maybe we should gas them."
That`s what the Nazi you guys are defending would probably do
I`m tired of reapeting the same arguments all the time ...
you may read the comments people did at the skrewdriver records...
again ...
Freedem of speech is a honerable value - but it stops where blind hate and ignorance starts.
Mark,
when I saw the picture of the horse I thought you were gonna tell us you've bought your daughter one.
As you say, a bit of bickering on the side is allways good for entertainment.
Cheers
Greg.
LOL Greg,no sir...I don't wanna clean up giant craps.
Although I have the space for a horse,that'll never happen :)
She's happy with her "My Little Ponies" dolls.At least they don't smell.
Nazi attacker is playing right into the classic "one side against the other" mentality that has been fabricated in all the Wars the U.S. has participated since the Spanish-American War--all fabricated by the Rothschilds and Rockefellers groups. You are playing the game, the War mentality that we really don't need. You are against people finding out for themselves!!!!!!
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Mark why are you talking a lot of bullshit? You don't give a fuck about the punkrock movment, just call it a music genre. you just look up on it as a business, such a movment can never be strong, and by the way such a people like you never belongs to it. Surf all your fucking beaches and pose with your skates but what ever happend to the scene just went out to be obscene? Stick to your self and forget about the unity and your message has no longer any community! Mark people like you just floating like dead fish on the movment punkrock and make it well and truely dead. But for the kids who lives for punkrock you are ruin it all making punk mixed up by rightwings. Do you also have weat dreams about a glorious rich and a master race or are you just stupid. The problem steams from many facts and your way are making punk lobotomized. Survive the protest to real death. if you attempt to make a blog with punkmusic you should also be aware of the cult and not bring it down in the dirt. Moron!
People like yourself is what killed punk.
The assholes that go around telling everyone whos punk and whos a poser.The judges.The elitists.
The ones who claim they want unity but instead spit on everyone that isn't just like them.
Comic book punks.
Do you ding-dongs have a guide to punk lol.
I need not stand up for myself to your ramblings.My past speaks for itself.
Surf all your fucking beaches and pose with your skates
I don't surf or skate.
you don't get it and you never will and the only poser hear is you mark
@ Mark
How come that someone who never was part of this movement - like you said, to whom it is just another music genre thinks he can tell people who are part of this movement for years that they are killing punk?
You don`t have a clue
Your argumentation is going nowhere
@anonymous
Yeah all the Nazi and Neo-Nazi victims they truly found out themselves.
Do you really think that was a good come-back Tom?
I think you've run out of ammo...
Mark
At leasr you are thinking ...
but you are still wrong
I'm wrong?
So then it's a good thing to be an elitist an tell everyone whos punk and whos not,what's punk and whats not.To spit on others that aren't just like you...That's a good thing to you then,right?
Get your nose out of that glue bag.I think it's done you some damage.
I suggest taking a few days to think before blurting out idiotic statements.
Heres the definition of Movement.
http://www.answers.com/movement
Which Movement is the Punk one?
Generally a movement moves toward something.Like a political movement moves toward it's goal.
What does Punk move toward?
What is Punks goal?
Is Rock a movement too?Classical?How about all the other genres?
There.Since you haven't much to say,I gave you something to talk about.Enjoy.
You are wrong as always!
Punk is and was always a movement not just another fashion.
It was/ will be more than just Music
I`m not an eletist by telling you this
That are fundamentals
NAZI (and their supporters) are not and will never be part of the Punk Movement
You cannot be a Nazi(supporter) and Punk
Since you have never been a part punk movement - you don`t know!
you`re a pretender
Telling you what Punk is about - you didn´understand that for 30 years - you will not in the future
arguing with you is like arguing with dogshit.
You just stink!
You and your so - called supporters and Music Lovers are destroying what you
pretend to love
@Mark
You don`t have to be a Punk to understand that posting Nazi Music
is wrong.
You want freedom but you preach hate
I didn't say punk was a fashion.
It's a genre.
just like rock isn't a fasion,it's a genre.
Your not elitist by TELLING me that I don't understand and that I am a pretender?LOL
Who are you to TELL me anything.
An elitist?
Again you think I have some major pull with punks.If I can single handedly destroy what YOU consider punk,there must not be much there destroy.
I say what YOU consider punk because your perception of punk is distorted.
People can see what you are.
Someone who thinks themselves better than everyone else.
You cannot be a Nazi(supporter) and Punk
Well I'm not lol.But...If I were,I could.I could be anything I like and be Punk.There's really nothing YOU can do to stop anyone from thinking whatever they like.Duh :)
My supporters lol,you mean my friends.Yes,you see most people like me because I'm friendly and non judgmental.Maybe that's what you lack and why you have so few friends (oh sorry,supporters lol).
Now go pray to your punk idols.
For that matter alot of the radical leftist stuff here is
wrong.No?
I don't preach and dare you to show me where I have.
I don't tell you what's right or wrong,I just show you things and hope you as an individual have enough intelligence to make your own decisions.
Do you really NEED someone to point out right & wrong?
And by the way...I don't want freedom.I already have it ! :)
The "punk movement"? Are some of you guys serious to think that the punk movement was some sort of universal movement that made the world better? Jeez. Sure you had your selected few friends of punks and had a great time with it but to think that the entire movement was all about unity and positive vibes, you got to be kidding yourselves. Regionally you had some great things happen but if you put all the punks in the world in one room - you're likely going to have total chaos, disorganization and disregard of others. The "movement" self-destructed by the means of violence, drugs, and simply it became too mainstream. The most part, punks were JUST a sub-group that just happened to enjoy a certain type of music scene. Nothing more, nothing less.
I have no desire wearing my "punk" badge so I can be identified and labeled. I just wanna be "me".
If you really want to change the world or just your surroundings, go volunteer, feed the poor, do some charity work. That's more punk to me then someome listening to Crucifix and bitchin' about some movement that has been pretty much dead since the late 80's - as far as I'm concerned.
@Mark
IT`s not about who is better than somebody else
Noone is better than another one
You are not better than me
I am not better than you
That is Nazi ideology and
totally off the point.
You making up something - you just don`t get it
Saying someone who says Punks are not Nazis is Someone who thinks themselves better than everyone else is a joke!
I never doubted that you have friends
You and your friends/supporters or whatever you call them
don`t have a attitude !
I`m not a radical left wing by beeing against Nazis - every human beeing that is against Nazi ideology is a radical in your eyes ?
Now that`s really dumb
again - you destroy want you pretend to love
@robashito
That may be true for you but not for alo other people I meet or
contacted all over the world
Saying someone who says Punks are not Nazis is Someone who thinks themselves better than everyone else is a joke
LOL,I didn't say that.
Someone who dictates to others what punk is or is not thinks themselves better than the rest.
You are someone who belittles others to make themselves feel more important.Is that punk?
You can't be this if your that.You can't be that if your this.Maybe you can't be punk if your name is Tom?I guess anyone can make up their own little punk rules :)
This may be about Nazis to you.
To me,it's about posting what I want.What I like.
You can be...whatever you want.Think,whatever you like.
You are an independent thinking individual and have that right.
As do I.
Being that this is MY blog,it shows my taste.Not yours.You have to get your own blog if you want to show others YOUR taste.
This isn't about Punk or Nazi.
It's about me.My blog.
My taste.If you don't like it you can get another flavor somewhere else or try your own hand at it.
Are you afraid that if you made a blog no one would look at it?
Then do it.
I bet you won't.Why?Because your uninteresting ;)
Saying what you believe and telling others what they should or shouldn't believe are two different things.
No mark I don`t make such a blog, because i woudn`d post musik without having the permission of the bands - but that`s a different story- and I don`t have any problem that you do that generally.
oh - and no I haven`t downloaded Music here (a friend of mine told me about "this nazi arsehole that posts Punk Music")
"Saying what you believe and telling others what they should or shouldn't believe are two different things"
Of course!!!
and I say it again
Don`support Nazi Music !
That by the way has nothing to do with beeing Punk
I bet you won't.Why?Because your uninteresting ;)
So you are interessting?
Who is now thinking he is better than the other?
What I really don't understand is that do you really think Mark is a Nazi? If he is, then I wouldn't have a problem about all of this fussing. The fact is, I seriously doubt he is one. I never met Mark but it's quite apparent that he isn't supporting any hate movement on this blog. Music appreciation doesn't have to include some sort of an ideology to live by.
Think of Mark as a supermarket that offers countless of merchandises. Perhaps as a consumer, you have objections with a few things that he sells, whether it's meat, alcohol, porn mags or whatnot. You have several choices as a consumer: you can ignore those items or you can decide not to shop there.
Mark is simply giving you options and I doubt he's trying to afflict nazism to the masses. Reggae and the National Front don't mix too well if you haven't figured that out yet.
To think this is a nazi blog is flat out non-sense. And if it was a nazi blog, trust me, you won't find me here either. I'm half Japanese / half white guy and in a real forth reich, I'll be one of the first ones to get killed.
Mark is just a guy who used to own and run a record store and I'm sure he still appreciates music as a hobby and more so.
Spare us the change and go after the real nazis.
LOL,better no.More interesting yes.
I'm bored now Tom.
So I'll not respond anymore until it becomes more entertaining here.
Cheers!
I'm Armenian (father) and German (mother).
Armenian is considered Near East.
Armenians look like big nosed Middle Easterners as does my Father.
I would also have (and have even been told to my face) to go lol.
I have a funny name too!LMAO
You probably could never pronounce.
It's not Mark Underground either hahaha.
@robashito
I already said before that I don`t think that Mark is a Nazi, but he supports Nazi Musik.
I just wrote how my friend introduced me to this blog.
Sure Raeggae and fascism don`t fit
too well - who says it does?
Anyway I`m out of here - it`s end of work for me today - I`m out having a "real" life...maybe I`m
back tommorrow who knows...
Mark expect a little bit of vandalizm every know and then ...LOL
@Tom - Ok, cool so we settled that Mark isn't a Nazi. That's cool.
So I guess Mark also supports
"satanism" (Mercyful Fate)
"dope smoking" (Heptones/Hank III)
"voilence" (GISM)
"drug abuse" (RKL)
"eco-violence" (MDC)
@Mark - you are a very bad man. :)
@Tom - all I'm saying is that there's a misunderstanding and judging someone without really knowing the person isn't the proper way to go about. That's all.
Cheers.
well the dope smoking...a little bit LMAO
well the dope smoking...a little bit LMAO
???????
Yes people who are against fascism must be ultra left drug adicts
@robashito
All the comments Tom did were against Nazi Posts - nothing else
You live in a country were Nazi-Terror may be not an issue - I life in country were it is.
In the area were life there beeing Nazi is "youth culture" Nr.1
A friend of mine was killed by Nazis two years ago.
Actually in germany there are federal laws against people who distribute, buy or even listen to Music that supports racial violence.
Tom is absolutely right in his arguments.
What would Mark say if I would do a blog with Anti American Al Quaida slogans.
I could defend that with the same arguments Mark uses.
You guys should lean back and think about your action and what they may mean for people that living in different circumstandes as you do
thank you for the attention
Bernd Meier
Rostock
Germany
I smoke pot once and a while.
If that constitutes being a drug addict to you,so be it lol.
Stupid people cause violence.
Not only Skinheads or Nazis.
Here in my country blacks cause alot of crime.
I have had friends killed by blacks.I still post black music.
What would Mark say if I would do a blog with Anti American Al Quaida slogans.
I could defend that with the same arguments Mark uses
I'm sure they are out there.There is plenty of Anti American sentiment going around,even right here in my own country.
What would I do...
I wouldn't go to that blog.
That's pretty simple.
Nazi-Terror may not be an issue here but we have all the other Terror.
"I have had friends killed by blacks.I still post black music."
That`s not really an argument, if a black kill someone other blacks are not guilty
of that just because the colour of their skin.
So there is absolutely no reason why you shouldn`t post black Music
(except you are a Nazi of course)
Facscism is a is a movement that is based on ignorance, hate and violence,
therefore it by it`s definition ani-humanistc.
There are also (a few) black people who a nazis.
Sure you wouldn`t go to the Al Quaida side - I wouldn`t too.
but people come to your site because of free Music (I do !)
By mixing "normal" music with Nazi Music you make
(and from what I learned here you really do) Nazi
Music tolertarable, enjoiable and consumable.
But Nazis use Music to trap people to their ideology. Maybe you and
most redears here are immune to this ideloly - but some are not!
Maybe you`re not the one who has to pay the prize for that.
But you are helping (because you ignorance - you just don`t care)
to spread Nazi ideology over the world
You cannot deny that
Bernd
@anonymous - it's unfortunate that Germany still has a "nazi" problem. And in many ways our "nazi" problem is limited yet we do have our share of hate groups. The link below is from SOUTHERN POVERTY LAW CENTER, an anti-hate group that my wife and I contribute to.
http://www.splcenter.org/intel/map/hate.jsp
In defense of Mark (not that he really needs any), calling him out as a supporter of "nazi music" is careless and frankly, uncalled for. Let the listeners/bloggers decide for themselves, and I can pretty much be certain that 99% of the people on this site has no interest in "nazi ideology". Rather than attacking Mark I think you'll be better served going after the real enemy.
That's all. Be well and down with hate groups. Cheers.
All ism's are bad.
I wouldn't want anyone here to go out burning churches,killing cops or destroying our government.
Should I not post any ism's?
Most of the old punk here is from a different time.Times have changed as has my mind on certain issues.I now don't believe in alot of the things the punks sang about in those days because they don't pertain to todays world.
Should people not hear that then?
I feel if I'm spreading anything,it would be spreading reality.Life has it's good and bad.It's for the individual to sort out what's right for them.Without knowing bad you can not know good.
I appreciate your kind demeanor in your writing to me.That is a breath of fresh air.
I will take in to account what you said and maybe post less of these records that seem so controversial to some.
PS
Your right about blacks and it not being the same.That was a bad analogy.I'm sure I could come up with a better one,but I don't think it matters at this point :)
(See,I can admit when I'm wrong)
Thanx Bernd
Interesting link there Robashito.
I recognize a few.
I remember Aryan Nations lol.
August Kreis their leader doesn't like me hahaha.
I tore up that Org in many a debate.
The Vinlanders Social Club.Used to be Nazi/Racist.I pretty sure they gave it up.I know alot of people in that one.They just get together for BBQ's lol.
One of the high up's there told me they're sick of the whole racial thing.
I'd like to think I had a little something to do with that :)
You'd be surprised what a little talking to can do.
Damn,I didn't know there were so many though.They obviously hide well or have very little numbers in their ranks because I sure don't see them walking the streets.
Yeah, the SOUTHERN POVERTY LAW CENTER does a fairly great job with exposing these groups. They attack them by using hate/bias lawsuits to shut them down or to deplete their cash flow to organize.
Yeah, my state of South Carolina has loads of "confederate hate groups" yet I haven't seen any of them since I've been here for the last 9 years. Mostly probably bunch of unemployeed losers who have weak minds and nothing better to do.
I believe that's what happend to Kreis :)
He got poor quick.
Like the poster child for American Nazi's,Bill Riccio?I think he's from somewhere around the Carolina's or Georgia.LOL,he's f*cked up for sure.
Look him up on YouTube.
Bill Riccio.
A joke of a human being.
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